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	<title>Comments on: &#8216;06 election and the ghost of Measure 37</title>
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		<title>By: Sid Anderson</title>
		<link>http://blog.onwardoregon.org/06-elections-and-the-ghost-of-measure-37/#comment-29</link>
		<dc:creator>Sid Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Oct 2005 21:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ron-
I guess you must have been posting your comment while I was working on &lt;a href="http://blog.onwardoregon.org/measure-37-and-fairness/" rel="nofollow"&gt;this entry&lt;/a&gt;.  I really liked Amos' reasoning (the pro argument piece in yesterday's Oregonian) for the mere fact that it was so simple.

I found Huffman (one the three profs you had to deliver a paper to) somewhat sarcastic and condesending, which might be fine on a personal blog site, but on the front page of the op-ed section?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron-<br />
I guess you must have been posting your comment while I was working on <a href="http://blog.onwardoregon.org/measure-37-and-fairness/" rel="nofollow">this entry</a>.  I really liked Amos&#8217; reasoning (the pro argument piece in yesterday&#8217;s Oregonian) for the mere fact that it was so simple.</p>
<p>I found Huffman (one the three profs you had to deliver a paper to) somewhat sarcastic and condesending, which might be fine on a personal blog site, but on the front page of the op-ed section?</p>
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		<title>By: ron l</title>
		<link>http://blog.onwardoregon.org/06-elections-and-the-ghost-of-measure-37/#comment-28</link>
		<dc:creator>ron l</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Oct 2005 20:13:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They were thinking them through, but only to the best of their ability.

I made another one of my huge comments over at the BlueOregon site on the M37 topic. As usual, out of habit, I try to paint folks as idiots, particularly lawyers.

It sort of supports the striking of M37 but the reasoning is far different than that of the judge. Note that the law school dean that offered an opinion piece in the Oregonian was one of the three professors to whom I had to deliver a paper so as to eventually practice law for money. I did not go chat about topics because well, I was, am, too shy . . if you can believe that.

I do like your argument skills.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They were thinking them through, but only to the best of their ability.</p>
<p>I made another one of my huge comments over at the BlueOregon site on the M37 topic. As usual, out of habit, I try to paint folks as idiots, particularly lawyers.</p>
<p>It sort of supports the striking of M37 but the reasoning is far different than that of the judge. Note that the law school dean that offered an opinion piece in the Oregonian was one of the three professors to whom I had to deliver a paper so as to eventually practice law for money. I did not go chat about topics because well, I was, am, too shy . . if you can believe that.</p>
<p>I do like your argument skills.</p>
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		<title>By: Sid Anderson</title>
		<link>http://blog.onwardoregon.org/06-elections-and-the-ghost-of-measure-37/#comment-27</link>
		<dc:creator>Sid Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Oct 2005 18:42:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ron-
Looks like you found me over here ;-)  Welcome to our new blog.

Yes, the authors of M37 weren't thinking through the legal aspects of their measure.  That's the problem with the initiative process.  It's populist by nature and often populism lacks foresight as it did in this case and in the case of Measure 36.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron-<br />
Looks like you found me over here <img src='http://blog.onwardoregon.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  Welcome to our new blog.</p>
<p>Yes, the authors of M37 weren&#8217;t thinking through the legal aspects of their measure.  That&#8217;s the problem with the initiative process.  It&#8217;s populist by nature and often populism lacks foresight as it did in this case and in the case of Measure 36.</p>
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		<title>By: ron l</title>
		<link>http://blog.onwardoregon.org/06-elections-and-the-ghost-of-measure-37/#comment-26</link>
		<dc:creator>ron l</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Oct 2005 22:35:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My mom and dad divided their property in the 1970's.

Any M37-based-claimant surely has blood relatives, by definition, that could have done exactly the same.

The notion that my parents could demand the payment of cash from the government would thus be wholly inapplicable. They could not get cash by reason of a government denial of a right to build, because they can build.

The equal privileges and immunities (EPI) analysis, to reflect a mere vigorous attention to defining the class, must further confine the blood relative's notion to those folks who did not avail themselves of the then-existing-opportunity to build (or at least divide). 

I could say a whole lot more, but the issue above lets me isolate on the EPI issues and avoid entirely the great debates about property.

Now, if I can shake free from the documents of ownership held by the state and the feds to all the future fruits of my labor (by reason of attending law school), for life, then I might be able to get hitched and have kids and raise a few cows and ride some horses and grow some strawberries. Let's talk about liberty and property from the guy who IS "property" of the state. I am a state slave; albeit a state slave that has a far greater chance of getting an amicus accepted by the supreme court on the M37 case than your run-of-the-mill member of the bar.

Don't forget that one of the justices has a heightened interest in administrative procedures. He would know exactly what I mean with the argument about narrowing the definition of the class for purposes of EPI.

Sid, I would assert that the protagonists are acting like beginners . . or at least like kids. The wording of M37 was idiotic from the get go but what would I know?

BTW -- do you know any single gals that can handle shoveling manure and can enjoy a good debate, as banter rather than as a personal affront? My liberty interest has been substantially reduced by reason of the advancement of the self-interest of banks to avoid being taxed to cover appropriations . . . but it was given the happy name of "student loans." The BUS Project folks should be the first to recognize this deception where the real beneficiary and the nominal beneficiary are not one in the same . . . but I am astounded that such deceptions just keep multiplying in the mystifying name of progress.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My mom and dad divided their property in the 1970&#8217;s.</p>
<p>Any M37-based-claimant surely has blood relatives, by definition, that could have done exactly the same.</p>
<p>The notion that my parents could demand the payment of cash from the government would thus be wholly inapplicable. They could not get cash by reason of a government denial of a right to build, because they can build.</p>
<p>The equal privileges and immunities (EPI) analysis, to reflect a mere vigorous attention to defining the class, must further confine the blood relative&#8217;s notion to those folks who did not avail themselves of the then-existing-opportunity to build (or at least divide). </p>
<p>I could say a whole lot more, but the issue above lets me isolate on the EPI issues and avoid entirely the great debates about property.</p>
<p>Now, if I can shake free from the documents of ownership held by the state and the feds to all the future fruits of my labor (by reason of attending law school), for life, then I might be able to get hitched and have kids and raise a few cows and ride some horses and grow some strawberries. Let&#8217;s talk about liberty and property from the guy who IS &#8220;property&#8221; of the state. I am a state slave; albeit a state slave that has a far greater chance of getting an amicus accepted by the supreme court on the M37 case than your run-of-the-mill member of the bar.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t forget that one of the justices has a heightened interest in administrative procedures. He would know exactly what I mean with the argument about narrowing the definition of the class for purposes of EPI.</p>
<p>Sid, I would assert that the protagonists are acting like beginners . . or at least like kids. The wording of M37 was idiotic from the get go but what would I know?</p>
<p>BTW &#8212; do you know any single gals that can handle shoveling manure and can enjoy a good debate, as banter rather than as a personal affront? My liberty interest has been substantially reduced by reason of the advancement of the self-interest of banks to avoid being taxed to cover appropriations . . . but it was given the happy name of &#8220;student loans.&#8221; The BUS Project folks should be the first to recognize this deception where the real beneficiary and the nominal beneficiary are not one in the same . . . but I am astounded that such deceptions just keep multiplying in the mystifying name of progress.</p>
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		<title>By: Sid Anderson</title>
		<link>http://blog.onwardoregon.org/06-elections-and-the-ghost-of-measure-37/#comment-13</link>
		<dc:creator>Sid Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2005 05:05:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yup!  Winning back the state House is just as important, if not more, than winning the govenorship.  As goes the House, goes Oregon. Ever since the GOP took control in the early 90s, things in Oregon like education, health care, and public services in general have all been in decline.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yup!  Winning back the state House is just as important, if not more, than winning the govenorship.  As goes the House, goes Oregon. Ever since the GOP took control in the early 90s, things in Oregon like education, health care, and public services in general have all been in decline.</p>
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		<title>By: Russell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2005 04:11:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If readers are wondering what they can do to help sway the outcome in 06, check out &lt;a href="http://www.busproject.com/" rel="nofollow"&gt;the Bus Project&lt;/a&gt; and get involved!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If readers are wondering what they can do to help sway the outcome in 06, check out <a href="http://www.busproject.com/" rel="nofollow">the Bus Project</a> and get involved!</p>
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