Comments on: What if the Measure 37 fix doesn’t pass? http://blog.onwardoregon.org/what-if-the-measure-37-fix-doesnt-pass/ Here are snippets from the three most-recent postings. Click an article title below to read more. Wed, 13 Feb 2008 02:40:47 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Red Cloud http://blog.onwardoregon.org/what-if-the-measure-37-fix-doesnt-pass/comment-page-1/#comment-53991 Red Cloud Sat, 26 May 2007 20:39:41 +0000 http://blog.onwardoregon.org/what-if-the-measure-37-fix-doesnt-pass/#comment-53991 Ultimately, we’re going to find out this November if the Oregonians who passed Measure 37 are willing to take “Yes” for an answer, because that’s what the fix does–it says YES to everything in Measure 37 (and much more, creating new transferability rights, resolving the issue of widows who weren’t on the title, etc). It more than solves the problem that Measure 37 backers claimed they wanted solved. You make good points in your column. You are also correct that HB 3540 gives Measure 37 claimants everything they want (to judge by the arguments submitted in the Voters Pamphlet in support of the measure). HB 3540 calls the bluff on the likes of Senator George. Measure 37 is an attack on the principles of zoning by people who are hard-core property rights advocates. Compare what they advocated in the Voters Pamphlet with what the claims consist of. HB 3540 closely resembles the spirit of the arguments in favor of Measure 37; so closely, that the likes of Berger, Boquist, and Winters have had to say in print that what they had hoped would be in the bill is not, when in plain fact, the opposite is the case. Politically, you have an entire party staking their legislative careers on what people enacted in 2004, rather than staking their careers on what people wanted when they elected them to office. The coattails they think they are riding may end up being political cement galoshes. Analyze the Measure with plausible scenarios. You can come up with numberless scenarios that expose 37 as undermining zoning, as well as land use planning and comprehensive planning. Look at actual claims. It is fascinating to read the rebuttal from supporters – you cannot judge the effect of 37 from the claims; you have to wait until the work is finished. Ultimately, we’re going to find out this November if the Oregonians who passed Measure 37 are willing to take “Yes” for an answer, because that’s what the fix does–it says YES to everything in Measure 37 (and much more, creating new transferability rights, resolving the issue of widows who weren’t on the title, etc). It more than solves the problem that Measure 37 backers claimed they wanted solved.

You make good points in your column. You are also correct that HB 3540 gives Measure 37 claimants everything they want (to judge by the arguments submitted in the Voters Pamphlet in support of the measure). HB 3540 calls the bluff on the likes of Senator George. Measure 37 is an attack on the principles of zoning by people who are hard-core property rights advocates. Compare what they advocated in the Voters Pamphlet with what the claims consist of. HB 3540 closely resembles the spirit of the arguments in favor of Measure 37; so closely, that the likes of Berger, Boquist, and Winters have had to say in print that what they had hoped would be in the bill is not, when in plain fact, the opposite is the case. Politically, you have an entire party staking their legislative careers on what people enacted in 2004, rather than staking their careers on what people wanted when they elected them to office. The coattails they think they are riding may end up being political cement galoshes.

Analyze the Measure with plausible scenarios. You can come up with numberless scenarios that expose 37 as undermining zoning, as well as land use planning and comprehensive planning. Look at actual claims. It is fascinating to read the rebuttal from supporters – you cannot judge the effect of 37 from the claims; you have to wait until the work is finished.

]]> By: pet cow http://blog.onwardoregon.org/what-if-the-measure-37-fix-doesnt-pass/comment-page-1/#comment-53867 pet cow Thu, 17 May 2007 17:40:33 +0000 http://blog.onwardoregon.org/what-if-the-measure-37-fix-doesnt-pass/#comment-53867 i enjoy henry george, he was a brilliant writer, and an insightful philosopher. his ideas for taxing privilege (in the form of rent) were way ahead of their time, and eventually snuck into policy indirectly through various forms of income and cap gains taxes, monetary policy, etc. the single-tax on land was a pretty cool, pretty radical liberal idea (that actually originated with thomas paine; agrarian reform i think) that, however sensible, will probably never be implemented in any significant way. i enjoy henry george, he was a brilliant writer, and an insightful philosopher. his ideas for taxing privilege (in the form of rent) were way ahead of their time, and eventually snuck into policy indirectly through various forms of income and cap gains taxes, monetary policy, etc. the single-tax on land was a pretty cool, pretty radical liberal idea (that actually originated with thomas paine; agrarian reform i think) that, however sensible, will probably never be implemented in any significant way.

]]> By: George Seldes http://blog.onwardoregon.org/what-if-the-measure-37-fix-doesnt-pass/comment-page-1/#comment-53842 George Seldes Thu, 17 May 2007 06:04:46 +0000 http://blog.onwardoregon.org/what-if-the-measure-37-fix-doesnt-pass/#comment-53842 Yes, I find Henry George to be quite sensible, how about you? What do you think of his stuff? Yes, I find Henry George to be quite sensible, how about you? What do you think of his stuff?

]]> By: Marva http://blog.onwardoregon.org/what-if-the-measure-37-fix-doesnt-pass/comment-page-1/#comment-53810 Marva Mon, 14 May 2007 23:16:01 +0000 http://blog.onwardoregon.org/what-if-the-measure-37-fix-doesnt-pass/#comment-53810 Who are the lily-livered conservative paid-for-by-developers sending out the expensive postcards from PO Box 1619, Salem? There is nothing on the card saying any of the mealy-mouthed things like "Citizens for Screwing Anybody Liberal." The card attacks Chris Edwards on his vote to return the rewritten Measure 37 to voters. So they prefer to have urban waste spreading everywhere? At least they could say who they are. Who are the lily-livered conservative paid-for-by-developers sending out the expensive postcards from PO Box 1619, Salem? There is nothing on the card saying any of the mealy-mouthed things like “Citizens for Screwing Anybody Liberal.”

The card attacks Chris Edwards on his vote to return the rewritten Measure 37 to voters. So they prefer to have urban waste spreading everywhere? At least they could say who they are.

]]> By: pet cow http://blog.onwardoregon.org/what-if-the-measure-37-fix-doesnt-pass/comment-page-1/#comment-53805 pet cow Mon, 14 May 2007 18:59:34 +0000 http://blog.onwardoregon.org/what-if-the-measure-37-fix-doesnt-pass/#comment-53805 sounds like someone's been reading henry george! sounds like someone’s been reading henry george!

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